Some Hands from a Small Stakes Cash Game
Playing today on PokerStars, and there are a few hands I wanted some help with.
All hands Hold’em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50)
HAND #1 I know the flush is made, I don’t think I have pot odds to call, but I call.
Seat 1: Vampir77 ($25.15 in chips)
Seat 2: Thinktwowin ($51.35 in chips)
Seat 3: csquard ($32.70 in chips)
Seat 4: keelz77 ($54 in chips)
Seat 6: duVogel ($17.35 in chips)
Seat 7: OOODiabloOOO ($136.45 in chips)
Seat 8: imjakes8 ($90.45 in chips)
Seat 9: blackmore ($40.85 in chips)
imjakes8: posts small blind $0.25
blackmore: posts big blind $0.50
Herby099: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to csquard [4c 4s]
Vampir77: calls $0.50
Thinktwowin: folds
csquard: calls $0.50
keelz77: calls $0.50
duVogel: calls $0.50
OOODiabloOOO: calls $0.50
imjakes8: folds
blackmore: checks
*** FLOP *** [3d 4d 8s]
blackmore: checks
Vampir77: bets $0.50
csquard: raises $0.50 to $1
keelz77: raises $0.50 to $1.50
duVogel: folds
OOODiabloOOO: folds
blackmore: folds
Vampir77: calls $1
csquard: raises $4.50 to $6
keelz77: calls $4.50
Vampir77: calls $4.50
*** TURN *** [3d 4d 8s] [Kd]
Vampir77: checks
csquard: bets $12
keelz77: raises $35.50 to $47.50 and is all-in
Vampir77: folds
csquard: calls $14.20 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [3d 4d 8s Kd] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
csquard: shows [4c 4s] (a full house, Fours full of Threes)
keelz77: mucks hand
csquard collected $70.65 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $73.65 | Rake $3
Board [3d 4d 8s Kd 3s]
Seat 1: Vampir77 folded on the Turn
Seat 2: Thinktwowin folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 3: csquard showed [4c 4s] and won ($70.65) with a full house, Fours full of Threes
Seat 4: keelz77 mucked [2d 8d]
Seat 6: duVogel folded on the Flop
HAND #2 I overbet, trying to induce a call or raise? I put the bb on a flush draw or something else (who am I kidding?). OK, I thought the CO was tilting, but could I have gotten the bb to stick around?
Seat 1: Vampir77 ($22.80 in chips)
Seat 2: Thinktwowin ($50.60 in chips)
Seat 3: csquard ($66.75 in chips)
Seat 4: keelz77 ($19.60 in chips)
Seat 5: Herby099 ($9.25 in chips)
Seat 6: duVogel ($15.55 in chips)
Seat 7: OOODiabloOOO ($139.85 in chips)
Seat 8: imjakes8 ($90.20 in chips)
Seat 9: blackmore ($49.50 in chips)
duVogel: posts small blind $0.25
OOODiabloOOO: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to csquard [9s Td]
imjakes8: folds
blackmore: folds
Vampir77: calls $0.50
Thinktwowin: calls $0.50
csquard: calls $0.50
keelz77: calls $0.50
Herby099 has timed out while being disconnected
Herby099: folds
Herby099 is sitting out
duVogel: calls $0.25
OOODiabloOOO: checks
*** FLOP *** [2s 8d 6d]
duVogel: checks
OOODiabloOOO: checks
Herby099 is disconnected
Vampir77: checks
Thinktwowin: checks
csquard: bets $1.75
keelz77: calls $1.75
duVogel: folds
OOODiabloOOO: calls $1.75
Vampir77: folds
Thinktwowin: folds
*** TURN *** [2s 8d 6d] [7s]
OOODiabloOOO: checks
csquard: bets $11
keelz77: raises $6.35 to $17.35 and is all-in
OOODiabloOOO: folds
csquard: calls $6.35
*** RIVER *** [2s 8d 6d 7s] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
csquard: shows [9s Td] (a straight, Six to Ten)
keelz77: mucks hand
csquard collected $40.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $42.95 | Rake $2.10
Board [2s 8d 6d 7s 3h]
Seat 1: Vampir77 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Thinktwowin folded on the Flop
Seat 3: csquard showed [9s Td] and won ($40.85) with a straight, Six to Ten
Seat 4: keelz77 mucked [4h 5d]
HAND #3 How many ways did I misplay this hand?
Seat 1: Vampir77 ($21.25 in chips)
Seat 2: Thinktwowin ($59.35 in chips)
Seat 3: csquard ($88 in chips)
Seat 6: duVogel ($15.05 in chips)
Seat 7: OOODiabloOOO ($139.90 in chips)
Seat 8: imjakes8 ($89.20 in chips)
Seat 9: blackmore ($48.75 in chips)
Thinktwowin: posts small blind $0.25
csquard: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to csquard [Jc Js]
duVogel: folds
OOODiabloOOO: folds
keelz77 leaves the table
imjakes8: folds
blackmore: folds
Vampir77: folds
Thinktwowin: raises $0.50 to $1
csquard: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [6h Td 8s]
DarkAce77 joins the table at seat #4
Thinktwowin: bets $1.50
csquard: raises $3.50 to $5
Thinktwowin: raises $5 to $10
Herby099 has returned
csquard: calls $5
*** TURN *** [6h Td 8s] [9s]
Thinktwowin: checks
csquard: checks
*** RIVER *** [6h Td 8s 9s] [3c]
Thinktwowin: checks
csquard: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Thinktwowin: shows [Kh Th] (a pair of Tens)
csquard: shows [Jc Js] (a pair of Jacks)
csquard collected $20.95 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $22 | Rake $1.05
Board [6h Td 8s 9s 3c]
Seat 1: Vampir77 (button) folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 2: Thinktwowin (small blind) showed [Kh Th] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 3: csquard (big blind) showed [Jc Js] and won ($20.95) with a pair of Jacks
HAND #4 Standard?
Seat 1: Vampir77 ($20.90 in chips)
Seat 2: Thinktwowin ($52.60 in chips)
Seat 3: csquard ($94.45 in chips)
Seat 4: DarkAce77 ($43.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Herby099 ($8.75 in chips)
Seat 6: duVogel ($13.45 in chips)
Seat 7: OOODiabloOOO ($137.65 in chips)
Seat 8: imjakes8 ($94.55 in chips)
Seat 9: blackmore ($52.35 in chips)
Herby099: posts small blind $0.25
duVogel: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to csquard [Ah Kd]
OOODiabloOOO: calls $0.50
imjakes8: folds
blackmore: folds
Vampir77: raises $1 to $1.50
Thinktwowin: folds
csquard: raises $4.50 to $6
DarkAce77: folds
Herby099: folds
duVogel: folds
OOODiabloOOO: folds
Vampir77: raises $14.90 to $20.90 and is all-in
csquard: calls $14.90
*** FLOP *** [8d 3s 4h]
*** TURN *** [8d 3s 4h] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [8d 3s 4h Qs] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Vampir77: shows [Td Ts] (a pair of Tens)
csquard: mucks hand
Vampir77 collected $40.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $43.05 | Rake $2.15
Board [8d 3s 4h Qs Js]
Seat 1: Vampir77 showed [Td Ts] and won ($40.90) with a pair of Tens
Seat 2: Thinktwowin folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 3: csquard mucked [Ah Kd]
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April 26th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
Hand #1,
At $.25/.50 you can’t push someone off a flush draw on flop. Didn’t like the 50 cent raise, did like the $4.50 raise as it forces bad call on keelz part (excluding implied odds). $12 bet commits you to calling raise. But without $12 bet you don’t have odds. Smaller blocking bet would have been called for.
Hand #2 BB is not sticking around tilting CO gets rid of him.
Hand #3 Varying play with JJ is fine, there is no one way to play them correctly. After turn you both are afraid of 7. Checking down for small pot is better than losing big pot.
Hand #4 At 5:3 pot odds you have to call all in. If you call with AK you invite others to call but you are out cheaply if you whiff flop but if you get AT small flop result is same.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:24 am
In general you tend toward playing big pot poker. You’ll play strong hands in preflop situations against hands that are bet as equally strong hands. Success at ring is often laying down what you might consider is the best hand. You’ll play implied odds hands against people who don’t have the stack that makes that a solid choice. You tend to push marginal hands with large bets.
Having seen the way you like to play, I’d suggest trying small buyins. It reduces your variance and you are prone to strong variance with your style of play. When you sit with a large stack you become the implied odds target.
I had an online friend who I thought was working the style well. One day he emailed me that his wife was about ready to leave him over his gambling losses. That isn’t you in any way but it does show the variance that playing your style and his engenders.
A good player will lay in the weeds and succeed against your playing style. It appears you expose what you are doing to the table and players will start to drool. Some will try to work weaker hands against you and let you have a profit there. The really good ones see you as a cash station.
Take a look at this video blog and get a perspective on ring play from a fellow that plays it for a living.
http://www.pokernetcast.com/special_features/video_blog/index.php
April 27th, 2007 at 3:41 pm
I agree with most of what Bayne said. Sent you an email with my specific thoughts.
Not really sure what Anon is talking about, don’t agree much with his recommendations, but well, to each his own.
April 27th, 2007 at 7:09 pm
Well, I am the donkey that was anon above — click on it an you’ll see. And, I’ll stand by what I said. I really didn’t read these hands that closely but I’ve read a lot of CC’s other hands in the forum.
Take the last hand where 5:3 was quoted as a reason for the call. The reason those odds were there was the 4.50 raise. He got in a race of his own making. Had he called and seen the flop, he might have gotten off the hand at a low cost. That is close to 20 that didn’t have to go across the table.
The raise by the TT wasn’t the best of moves. It is the weakest hand I’d expect to see here. But, he probably figure it was going to end up all in so why not do it when you think you might be ahead. He did not have a lot behind him — which should also be noticed when you push. It makes his action a lot easier.
I’ll refer you again to the video. It says a lot about this style of play. And that isn’t just me talking. Bart Hansen plays 10-20 all day long for a living. And, he seems to be making a damn good living.
If you want to play tournament poker then play tournaments.
April 30th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
Video Blog was excellent Ken.
I think I did point out in my analysis that if you call raise with AK and whiff on flop you get out of hand cheaply.
Playing AK against QQ is described as a "coinflip" BUT 43% vs. 57% is worse odds than roulette offers.
Biggest difference between cash games and tournaments is people rarely push AQ or AJ in a cash game so calling all-ins with AK makes less sense.