“michael, have a good night, hope you don’t get into a fiery accident”
My streak of playing tournaments on Full Tilt and going deep without a big cash continues. And my streak of attracting crazed railbirds continues as well.
The guy’s screen name on Full Tilt is “strohsix” and I have reported him. You be the judge.
This was what I call “the midnight tournament,” which starts at 2 AM EST. No-Limit Hold ‘Em, $69+$5 buy-in, a double stack of 3,000 starting chips, and a $7,000 guaranteed prize pool. With about 250 entries, the pool was more than double that size.
We were down to 65 players when I made the play that put me near the chip lead and made me a mortal enemy. I was in the big blind (240), strohsix was in the small blind (120), and antes were 25. Average chips were about 11,000. I had 17,732, strohsix had 10,025. We were nos. 1 and 2 at the table.
It was folded to our blinds - very tight table - and strohsix called my big blind. I had 8h-7h. There was 705 in the pot and I wanted it, so I raised to 720. He called that, too. The pot was 1,665.
The flop came Qh-6d-4h. Strohsix checked.
I bet 960. I didn’t have anything, but I wanted the pot if he didn’t have anything, and I also had good draws: 9 hearts would make me a flush, plus 4 fives for a straight - making sure not to count the five of hearts twice.
Strohsix then moved all-in, raising to 9,280.
My first thought was, That’s sure odd.
Would he slowplay something like aces, kings, or queens, and then play it so fast that there was no possibility I would call? I didn’t think so.
Would he do this with a strong but vulnerable hand? Maybe but why would he have limped with something like A-Q or K-Q? Weaker than that, he has to worry that I have one of those hands and might call. Maybe he had 4-4 or 6-6 and is worried about me having a straight or flush draw, though even then, it seems extreme to bet 9,280 into a pot with 2,600 in it.
The move seemed fishy, like he had nothing and was trying to push me out. If he was doing that and had just overcards to mine, or a pair below sevens, I had 19 outs against him and was 62% to win. If he had top pair, like Q-T, I was still 48% to win. If he had two pair, like Q-4, I was 43% to win. If he had a set, I was 34% to win. (I figured out the percentages after, but I figured I had 12-19 outs, depending on what he had.)
Because of the likelihood he was putting a move on me, the number of outs I had even if I was wrong (assuming he didn’t have a set, which I thought was unlikely), and the fact I’d still have 7,000 chips left, which would still be third at this table, I called. (I later calculated that I was putting 41% of the chips into the final pot, so I had the right odds against everything but a set, which is what I generally figured.)
He turned over Kc-6c. With just a pair of sixes, I was 62% to win, and a heart on the river gave me the flush.
You would have thought someone firebombed his house. He was eliminated in 65th. The tourney paid 27 and we spend a long time near the bubble. I was eliminated in 14th, about 90 minutes later. The guy stayed there the whole time (actually leaving a just a couple minutes before I was eliminated, which had to have disappointed him).
Here is what he said in the next few hands:
strohsix (Observer): great play
strohsix (Observer): &&ing idiot
strohsix (Observer): michael, are you really that stupid?
strohsix (Observer): if so, you might want to go start your car in the garage and get it over with
Other than telling him that I had 12-19 outs against him, everything I said to him was of a nature encouraging him to be civil.
So when he said,
strohsix (Observer): so what was the smart part michael? raising when you are 40% before the flop? or calling you whole stack with zero?
I responded with,
Michael Craig: Don’t you think your loss of control is a sign of weakness? (We won’t even talk about how you played the hand.)
When it was clear he was going to stick around, I turned off his chat. I read his comments after, which included some threats and wishes for my death. He would “educate” new players at the table about me, replaying the hand, bolstering his reasoning by claiming I was out of position and he had me outchipped. I don’t know if he was hallucinating or concerned his vehemence alone wouldn’t be enough to get people to hate me.
What concerns me most are three things he said before leaving, after complaining and being ignored by me for an hour and a half:
strohsix (Observer): michael, you may want to consider buying some cyanide caplets instead of poisoning the poker world with you lack of knowledge
strohsix (Observer): seriously michael, you should kill yourself
strohsix (Observer): michael, have a good night, hope you don’t get into a fiery accident
These sounded somewhat threatening to me, far beyond swearing and running through the limited lexicon of The Loser (i.e., donkey, luckbox, fish).
It concerned me enough that I wrote Full Tilt Support the following letter:
While playing in Tournament #9143979, on December 3 (AM), a player named “strohsix” made numerous veiled threats against me. In addition to staying at the table as an observer for more than an hour after he was eliminated - Table 18 - he said things like  strohsix (Observer): michael, have a good night, hope you don’t get into a fiery accident Â
Because I play under my own name and am well known in the poker world, I consider that a specific, identifiable threat. Please tell me what steps you are going to take against this, and give me information identifying this individual so I can contact the appropriate authorities. Â
Thanks, Â
Michael Craig
I honestly don’t obsess about what people say about me in these rooms. I like the frieds I have made through the chats and the occasional critic is fine. But I’ve been saying for a little while that these guys are getting out of hand. I hope Full Tilt is committed to the same point of view. Granted, these are their customers, but if the site is the reputable, above-board kind of operation I have always assumed it to be, they take some action to keep this extreme behavior in check.



























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December 4th, 2006 at 1:10 am
If these things were said in a B&M, the authorities would be contacted in an instant. Mainly, I suppose, to take into custody you, for beating the crap out of this guy!!
I cannot understand how people can do or say this garbage. It is my understanding that Annie Duke won’t even play on UB under her real name (except in bounty tournaments) for the same reason. The trash that Mike Matusow has to put up with is insane enough.
I hope FTP deals with this accordingly!!
December 4th, 2006 at 2:08 am
Mike, if you had folded, *I* would be the one threatening to kill you. Nice play.
Actually, you could have used his chat to your advantage, if it makes your opponents think you’re a calling station and afraid to make a move on you.
December 4th, 2006 at 7:32 am
I had a stalker that would find me within 10 minutes of me starting to play and make threats with sentences in 3 parts - each part under a different name. The threats were to destroy my computer and my life.
I reported this to Poker Stars. They said that yes he had multiple accounts - so they closed the extra accounts - BUT LEFT HIS MAIN ACCOUNT OPEN ! They also warned him about threats. The threats continued for several months. Poker Stars refused to take further action since "there were no direct threats".
I now play without chatting - which I miss. The poker rooms need to be more proactive with verbal abusers. Hopefully FullTilt will be more responsive. Good Luck.
December 4th, 2006 at 6:44 pm
Mike,
You already know your play was correct and your read was good. "strohsix" was caught on a silly bet and probably lashed out due to embarrasment at getting busted on such a stupid play. "I hope you get cancer" is my favorite ill wish that shows up in the chat box, can’t help but believe that those that lash out lack the needed temperment to ever get good at poker.
December 5th, 2006 at 2:36 pm
Any response from FT? I would be really suprised if they gave you his personal information.
December 6th, 2006 at 2:26 am
I had a similar experience recently at http://FTP. I had Ad5d and flopped a nut flush draw and inside straight draw vs a set in a cash game and put a guy all in. I busted him and he follows me for days talking trash in every room i play in. All over like 53$… i even admitted to him that i misread him to have an overpair like QQ or KK. He would laugh at every fold i made, every pot i lost, criticize every pot i won. Give his reads of my hands in the middle of hands i was playing.
This is one of the many real CONS of internet poker… i am a pretty big guy and I would never have to take abuse like that in a B&M casino.
Ultimate Bet has some pretty good and specific rules regarding what people can do in the chatbox… talking about hands you’re not in is strictly verbotten and i would reccomend to FTP that they adopt a similar set of rules as UB’s. Other than that they run a great site.
Enjoy your blog and i enjoyed your book as well Michael. Keep it up.
CjS
December 7th, 2006 at 12:59 pm
You’re a dangerous player to have at the table, and it’s too bad people are such maniacs. This is why arguing with them is probably a bad idea. As a rule of thumb, unless I’m talking specifically to get behavior out of the tiltbomb (obviously not in a tourney) or other people at the table, I just do not chat. It’s nice when your aggressive play tilts people so much they completely misplay their hand.
December 7th, 2006 at 8:55 pm
The sad part, Mike, is that these types are, as you have said, getting more and more prevalent on poker sites. When they lose, they don’t know how to lose graciously. Everything is someone else’s fault - a typical issue in today’s society of not accepting responsibility.
Even so - if you did make a bad move (and it certainly wasn’t, statistically) - what good can be accomplished by him ‘educating’ you about your supposed ‘bad play?’ The bottom line, I believe, is that strohsix acted like an imbecile and obviously couldn’t cope with losing.
As CarlTheMook says, this is the sort of thing these sorts will do because they are hidden behind their screen names and computers. Easy to hurl insults when we can’t see the person…
December 10th, 2006 at 11:14 pm
Poker Stars has recently started a moderation program for such situations. It has not been rolled out onto the real money tables yet, but is on all the play tables as we work out the kinks. I’m one of the moderators. We have the power to remove someone’s chat for 3 hours up to a permanent revocation for a wide range of offenses. Threats are an automatic suspension of chat, as are a couple of other violations. I frankly think that all poker sites should have a program like this.