First, I would wonder how many players at that table would recognize the UTG limp-push move, including the player with AA. A table of limpers might or might not have seen that move before and known what to do about it. I think it was still worth trying, and it got you one of the results that you wanted – heads up with the initial raiser. You were unlucky that he had as strong a hand as he did.
Him calling you a donkey for that play makes me think he didn’t recognize the move for what it was. Maybe he should read some more advanced poker books.
My thought was either to win it right there or get heads-up. I really didn’t want to be part of a five way pot. As a matter of fact, the board that played out would have made a straight for J-10, 10-7, or 7-5, one of which could certainly have been lurking. Thanks for the feedback. Maybe we’re both donkeys, lol.
I’m so tournament oriented that I really can’t give an opinion on live NLH – I prefer limit holdem live, not NLH. Tournaments? I’ve had everyone push at me with ATC – times when I’ve had Aces and raised they went all in with 2-4, not to worry, they caught perfect perfect and won the pot. I think your move was excellent but perhaps that’s the tournament play I’m thinking so…I can’t be an expert on live play.
But just because he raised, does he have to Aces? hell no! he could have something wonderful like A-J off, that’s one that’s beat the shit out of my big pairs as of late in NLH tourneys, there’s always an ace lurking when they need one. Yah, I’m whining.
Two probs as I see it…First off, people at that table probably arn’t going to understand any big time moves, they’ll mainly be playing whats in front of them not all that worried about what “the other” guy may have.
Secondly, I wonder if you really had to push it all in? Maybe raising to $4.75 or even $5.75 would of been enough to get off the dead money. If not there try another buck, maybe $6.75. This way when Captain Aces called or reraised, as he might have done, you’d at least have more info on where he was.
Aim,
Thanks for the comment. The only difficulty that I see with your suggestion is that once I’ve put that much in the pot, with what I would have left (remember, I’ve just got $12.80), I’m basically pot committed no matter what Captain Aces (love that name) does (and I’m sure he would have put me all-in, for which I would have had the pot odds to call. So, my feeling is that I have to push or call.
However, I totally agree that most people at that limit are not really focusing on someone making a move on them, and most likely the actual “best” play would have just been to call and then check-raise the flop once I hit the set.
First, I would wonder how many players at that table would recognize the UTG limp-push move, including the player with AA. A table of limpers might or might not have seen that move before and known what to do about it. I think it was still worth trying, and it got you one of the results that you wanted – heads up with the initial raiser. You were unlucky that he had as strong a hand as he did.
Him calling you a donkey for that play makes me think he didn’t recognize the move for what it was. Maybe he should read some more advanced poker books.
My thought was either to win it right there or get heads-up. I really didn’t want to be part of a five way pot. As a matter of fact, the board that played out would have made a straight for J-10, 10-7, or 7-5, one of which could certainly have been lurking. Thanks for the feedback. Maybe we’re both donkeys, lol.
I’m so tournament oriented that I really can’t give an opinion on live NLH – I prefer limit holdem live, not NLH. Tournaments? I’ve had everyone push at me with ATC – times when I’ve had Aces and raised they went all in with 2-4, not to worry, they caught perfect perfect and won the pot. I think your move was excellent but perhaps that’s the tournament play I’m thinking so…I can’t be an expert on live play.
But just because he raised, does he have to Aces? hell no! he could have something wonderful like A-J off, that’s one that’s beat the shit out of my big pairs as of late in NLH tourneys, there’s always an ace lurking when they need one. Yah, I’m whining.
nice to read you ‘winning’ story.
What was funny was I wrote “So every time you raise,I should assume you have aces?”, and he replied “yes”.
Two probs as I see it…First off, people at that table probably arn’t going to understand any big time moves, they’ll mainly be playing whats in front of them not all that worried about what “the other” guy may have.
Secondly, I wonder if you really had to push it all in? Maybe raising to $4.75 or even $5.75 would of been enough to get off the dead money. If not there try another buck, maybe $6.75. This way when Captain Aces called or reraised, as he might have done, you’d at least have more info on where he was.
By pushing you gave yourself no way out…
Aim,
Thanks for the comment. The only difficulty that I see with your suggestion is that once I’ve put that much in the pot, with what I would have left (remember, I’ve just got $12.80), I’m basically pot committed no matter what Captain Aces (love that name) does (and I’m sure he would have put me all-in, for which I would have had the pot odds to call. So, my feeling is that I have to push or call.
However, I totally agree that most people at that limit are not really focusing on someone making a move on them, and most likely the actual “best” play would have just been to call and then check-raise the flop once I hit the set.